-教宗陛下 -斯通女士 - Your Holiness... - Ms Stone, please...
如果在我们谈话过程中 I will be eternally grateful if,
你能避免不停换边交叉双腿的话 during the course of our conversation,
那我将感激不尽 you avoided the uncrossing and re-crossing of your legs.
没问题 Sure.
你给我带了什么礼物 What gift have you brought me?
我带了我自己 还不够吗 I brought myself. Isn't that enough?
如果你能答应 It would have been,
在这里度过余生 had you only promised to stay here
那就够了 for the rest of your life.
但恐怕你会离开 But I fear you will depart,
而我将失去对你的有形记忆 and I will be left with no tangible memory of you.
那么 Well...
-谢谢你 -不客气 - Thank you. - You're welcome.
我要让人把它们放在最特别的圣物箱中 I shall have those placed in a most special reliquary.
你有一双美丽的脚 尽管有些大了 You have beautiful feet, however, they are rather large.
这是我唯一的缺陷 你有缺陷吗 圣父 My only defect. Do you have any defects, Holy Father?
我就是缺陷本身 "defectus" I am the defect. I am defectus.
"defectus"在拉丁语中意为失去 Defectus, in Latin, means missing.
我失去了我自己 I have missed myself.
你知道如何找回吗 家庭 Do you know the cure for that? Family.
我发现孩子们能填补那一块空白 I find that children fill that avoid.
我相信你知道 I'm sure you realize for me
对我来说 这不是个可行的建议 that's not particularly practical advise.
你可以放弃那身法衣 Well, you could drop that soutane.
顺便一说 我很荣幸见到您 教宗陛下 By the way, I am very honored to meet you, Your Holiness.
我来这里不是出于人类的好奇心 And I haven't just come here out of some human curiosity.
-我有个请求 -我很愿意一听 - I do have a plea. - I'm delighted to hear.
天主教徒的同性婚姻 Gay marriage for Catholics.
这种毫无意义的禁忌何时才能解除 When will this pointless taboo be eliminated?
当教会拥有了一位 When the Church has a brave,
勇于变革 内心坚决的教宗 revolutionary, resolute pope.
-这些品质我都不具备 -真遗憾 - Qualities none of which I possess. - What a shame!
虽然同性恋不是一种罪 Even though homosexuality is not a sin,
但婚外性行为是罪 sexual acts outside of marriage are.
《圣经》上说 According to the Bible,
性行为仅仅是为了繁衍后代 sex is intended solely for procreation,
因此只发生于男人和女人之间 therefore between a man and a woman.
《圣经》不能升级吗 Can't the Bible be upgraded?
再怎么说 《圣经》不是一部苹果手机 At last, the Bible is not an iPhone.
-再说一遍 真遗憾 -并不是 - Again, what a shame! - Not at all.
任何可以升级的东西 比如苹果手机 Anything that can be upgraded, like an iPhone,
最终都会进垃圾箱 eventually ends up in the bin,
只能被更昂贵的机型替代 only to be replaced by a more expensive model.
《圣经》经历了很长时间的考验 The Bible has endured for a very long time,
其价值即使有变化 也只是略有变化 and its value has changed a little, if at all.
-因为它无法升级 -没错 - Because it can't be upgraded. - Exactly.
我想这根本不是"升级"的问题 I suppose it's not even a matter of "Upgrading".
这更像是 It's more a matter of
以某种方式弥合 somehow bridging the enormous gap
神圣与罪恶之间的巨大鸿沟 between the sacred and the sinful.
这需要一架相当长的梯子 时间之梯 Quite a long ladder is needed. The ladder of time.
通过提出这个问题 By broaching this object,
你和我已经缩小了鸿沟之间的差距 you and I have already lessened that gap.
虽然是一小步 但却是一大步 It's a small step granted, but a step nevertheless.
这应该让我好受些吗 And this is supposed to make me feel better?
当然 Yes, of course.
我听说你的智商是154 简直是天才 I read that you have an IQ of 154, a genius practically.
你一点都不平凡 There's nothing ordinary about you.
天才们知道 生命不顾我们 仍在进化 And geniuses know that life evolves in spite of us.
不管律师和工匠 In spite of lawyers and artisans,
政治家和砌砖工 politicians and bricklayers,
大学教授 university professors,
天才和教宗 geniuses and popes.
-我能喝杯水吗 -当然可以 - Can I have a glass of water? - Of course you may.
如果你喜欢的话 可以喝一杯金汤力 You may have a gin and tonic, if you like.
现在喝金汤力有点早了 It's a little early for a gin and tonic.
喝金汤力永远不嫌早 It's never too early for a gin and tonic.
干杯 如果可以的话 Cheers! Allow me, if I may,
请允许我再占用一会 to take advantage of your intellect
你的智慧 for some moments longer.
除了允许同性婚姻 Apart from allowing people of the same sex to marry,
你对天主教会有什么建议 what would you suggest the Catholic Church could do
能让它更具有说服力呢 in order to make itself more eloquent?
这个 Well...
最终 In the end,
你能留下什么呢 what will remain of you?
除了在文艺复兴时期 Beside a load of magnificent art,
你委托所有最伟大的艺术家 commissioned by you,
为你创作了一大批 in the Renaissance period,
宏伟的艺术作品 from all of the greatest artists.
现在也有伟大的艺术家 There are great artists now.
但你忽视了他们 But you ignore them.
也就是说 生命逝去 艺术留存 So life passes, art remains.
艺术也会逝去 Art passes, too,
但速度要慢一些 因为艺术更狡猾 but a little more slowly because art is more cunning.
圣父 我的大腿肌肉快睡着了 Holy Father, my adductor longus muscle is falling asleep.
我能换一边交叉腿吗 May I cross my legs the other way?
请稍等片刻 One moment if you would.
请便 Now you may.
好了 I done.
看见了吗 我们做到了 There, you see? We did it.
我的好友 我们再一次做出了牺牲 Once again, hail-fellows, we made the sacrifice.
不要失望 Do not despair.
终有一日 我们都会欣赏到 Someday we will all come to appreciate
牺牲之美 the beauty of sacrifice.
但是 不是今天 Though, not today.
新教宗 第五集
法国 卢尔德市 10名受害者
我们的仇恨剑有所指
我们的敌人昭然若揭
是恶魔
是基督徒
正如《古兰经》所言
他们中凡是顺从你的 我必以你们充满火狱
我靠
你是布拉曼特 阿果什的助手
而我是阿果什
有个位置空出来了 只有一个 就在我的宗教社区里
而那个位置是为你准备的
您是哪位神派来的
-教宗准备怎么做 -我不知道 - So, what's the pope gonna do? - I don't know.
-你怎么样了 瓦埃洛 -很紧张 - And you, how are you, Voiello? - Nervous.
这可不是什么新鲜事了 是吧 That's not new, isn'it?
这个哈里发让我晚上睡不着觉 This caliph is keeping me up at night.
无论你决定做什么 Whatever you decide,
我的建议就一个词 谨慎 my one word of advice is: prudence.
闭上眼睛 薇奥莱塔
屏住呼吸
翻译一下 拜托 Translate, please.
像我们这种背德之人 The only principle unscrupulous men like ourselves
必须坚持的唯一信条就是 must always adhere to is:
"如果你没有证据 那就是空口无凭" "If you don't have proof, you don't have proof!"
我得出去透透气 I need some air.
你不是吧 瓦埃洛 Seriously, Voiello,
如今你可是终于可以自由呼吸了 now when you can finally breathe easy.
直到昨天 Up until yesterday,
因为你过分的性行为 thanks to your excessive sexual exploits,
你还是个完美的罪犯 you were the quintessential culprits.
但如今 多亏了卢尔德卑鄙的袭击 But now, after that despicable attack in Lourdes,
你摇身一变成了受害者 you've become victims.
风向变了 我的朋友 The wind is shifting, my friend.
你最好顺势而为 You better fan it.
-我还没想过这个 -我来就是为了这个 - I hadn't thought of that. - That's why I am here.
我能想到一切 说到这个 I think of everything, speaking of which,
一只讨厌的老鸟一直聒噪 a mean old bird keeps squawking
斯帕莱塔和汤马西·阿特布鲁克的联盟 about a Spalletta-Tomas Altbruck alliance.
他不是只讨厌的老鸟 It is not a mean old bird.
而是只能干的麻雀 It is a splendid sparrow.
我怀疑那个人就是你 I suspected that was you.
我必须得知道他们结盟是为了什么 I need to know what's behind it.
不如就说是典型的人类弱点 How about that typical human weakness
也就是贪婪 also known as greed?
-他们会玩火自焚的 -那就随他们去吧 - They're going to crash and burn. - So let them.
因为在那之后你就能重新上场了 Let them, cause afterwards you'll be back in the game,
强大更胜从前 stronger than ever.
我不能让教宗玩火自焚啊 I can't let the pope crash and burn.
教宗不能受到损害 The pope can't be compromised.
-你是在向我求助吗 -还不用 - You asking for my help? - Not yet.
他是谁
我儿子
未成年人不许进入我的教区
电影好看吗 How is the movie?
垃圾
-钱不是问题 -亲爱的...
钱从来都是问题所在
-您打算怎么办 -我想到一个词 - What are you going to do? - One word comes to mind.
我也想到了 To mine too,
一个我们得不惜一切代价避免的词 one to be avoided at all cost:
伊斯兰 islamic.
我想的不是这个词 That's not the word I was thinking of.
如果您在卢尔德用对了词 If you find the right word, in Lourdes,
对您的教宗威严将会是一大进步 it would be a giant leap forward for your papacy.
这个进步将让您的权威势不可挡 A leap that would make your authoritativeness unstoppable.
我对你很有信心 I have great faith in you.
这是我住处的私人号码 That is the private number to my apartment.
只有丹尼有 现在多了个你 Only Danny has it. Danny, and now you.
只要你想 随时给我电话 Phone, if you like, whenever you want.
您指派我丈夫做金融机构的领导 Did you appoint my husband head of the financial organization
是因为您对我有信心吗 because you have faith in me?
不是 No.
那在这么多人中 为什么选了他 So why him, of all people?
尼采说过 Nietzsche said that
"基督徒决定将世界看作是丑陋邪恶的 "The Christian's decision to see the world as ugly and evil
这一决定让世界变得丑陋邪恶" has made the world ugly and evil."
我们去卢尔德 We shall go to Lourdes,
我会发表讲话 而老尼采将会改变他的看法 I will speak and old Nietzsche will have to change his mind.
要用睫毛膏吗 Mascara?
不用 No.
不 No.
不 No!
亚当 Adam!
-快来 我们溜一圈 -不行 我在写东西 - Come on, let's go for a ride! - I can't, I'm writing.
你会后悔的 You'll be sorry.
圣父 媒体都正面报道了您的"不" Holy Father, the press is positively enthusiastic about your "No".
就算是平时爱找茬的那些人 Even the usual faultfinders, days later,
几天后也不断赞颂您的伟大 continue to pray your greatness.
看看这个 Take a look at this!
你觉得呢 瓦埃洛 What do you think Voiello?
这结合了宗教与人性 A spiritual and human synthesis
直击人心 that has touched people's hearts.
其媒体价值无可争辩 The media value is irrefutable.
所以换句话说就是没有实际价值 So in other words, no actual value.
你是这个意思吗 Is that what you mean to say?
容我直率地说句实话 To be brutally honest...
你一向直率 瓦埃洛 You are always brutal, Voiello.
圣父 容我直率地说句实话 "不"之后 To be brutally honest, Holy Father, after that "No",
不难预料 it is quite reasonable to expect that
思想会转化为行为 thought would translate into action.
那么你要我怎么做 So, what is it you had me do?
召集一支教宗的部队 然后进军 Rally a papal army and march it off
去打击伊斯兰恐怖主义吗 to battle Islamic terrorism?
他比你还直率 He's even more brutal than you.
当然不是 有中间方案 Of course not, there are intermediary measures.
那些方案会削弱那个"不"的效果 Measures that would weaken the success of that "No".
我同意 那个"不"是 I agree. That "No" is a moral
最重要的道德宣言 declaration of the greatest significance.
教宗创造出象征 The pope produces symbols,
给予世人平凡通俗的解释 the vulgar act of explanation must fall to others.
瓦埃洛 这么看来你就是少数派了 So, Voiello, you seem to be in the minority,
但这不意味着你就是错的 but that does not mean you are wrong.
我一辈子都是少数派 教宗陛下 I have been in the minority all my life, Your Holiness.
我所在的这个少数派只有我一人 In fact, I belong to such a small minority that I am the only member.
我接受埃默里·蒂斯沃斯采访时 I will articulate my thinking
会好好表明我的想法的 during the interview with Emory Kitsworth.
卢尔德不是那样的地方 Lourdes was not the place for that.
那里需要的是强烈的情感表达 What was needed there was a spectacular emotional expression.
不过 如果称其为口号 However, if it makes you happier
你会更开心 那就这样吧 to refer to it as a slogan, go ahead.
正是 Exactly.
您愿意什么时候接受采访 圣父 When would you like to do the interview, Holy Father?
蒂斯沃斯已经迫不及待了 Kitsworth is quivering in anticipation.
还没准备好 不过我会尽快告诉你 Not ready yet, but I will let you know soon.
当然 我一定要做好充分准备 Of course, I must be fully prepared,
不能让瓦埃洛失望 so is not to disappoint Voiello.
这地方真是壮观的历史
你经常来这里吗
每年都来修身养性
你喜欢吗 吉罗拉莫
你喜欢吗
-看看他还在不在 -谁
米莫大人
应该不在 我二十岁来这儿的时候他就很老了
-米莫大人 -他已经听不见了
他也看不见 走不了了
米莫大人
我是安吉洛·瓦埃洛 你还记得我吗
你去哪里 Where are you going?
-开个非正式会议 -听着就很肮脏 - To an informal meeting. - It sounds sordid.
的确 It is.
我做不到 I can't.
-为什么 -因为我不能再这样下去了 - Why not? - Because I can't anymore.
我有事要说 I have news.
我觉得我怀孕了 I think I'm pregnant.
我在 Here I am.
我刚准备挂 我以为你不会接了 I was about to hang up. I didn't think you were going to answer.
我想让你相信 你的电话对我并不重要 I wanted you to believe your call wasn't important to me.
但是呢 你一直在等我打电话吗 And instead? Have you been waiting for me to call?
一辈子 My whole life.
你今晚在干什么 What are you doing this evening?
别误会我 Don't misunderstand me!
初次约会选在这儿真是很不寻常 圣父 A highly unusual choice for a first date, Holy Father.
对神父来说 地下墓穴最接近于夜店 The catacombs are the closest thing to a nightclub a priest has.
那我们现在是要找吧台吗 So are we looking for the bar now?
并不是 要找方济各二世的墓 Not exactly. The tomb of Francis II.
我觉得也拜访一下他比较好 I thought it appropriate I pay him a visit as well.
-一起祈祷吗 -好 - Shall we pray? - Yes.
你是否也觉得方济各二世之死神秘而费解 Do you also find Francis II's death mysterious and inexplicable?
不 我相信官方说法 心脏停搏 No. I believe the official line: cardiac arrest.
你知道你可能是唯一一个相信的吗 You know you may be the only one who does?
我知道 我也知道 I know. I also know that
大多数谣言都围绕着瓦埃洛 the usual rumors are circulating about Voiello.
-但你置若罔闻 -不是这样的 - Yet you pay them no heed. - No, I don't.
这么多年来 For years now,
瓦埃洛成了梵蒂冈里所有事的替罪羊 Voiello has been the scapegoat for everything in the Vatican.
而你敬仰瓦埃洛 And you admire Voiello.
我们合作很顺利 我们都是厉害的棋手 We work well together. We're both good chess players,
哪怕我们一辈子都没见过棋盘 even though we've never even seen a chess board in our lives.
-有关于我的阴谋论吗 -据我所知没有 - Are there conspiracies about me? - Not as far as I know.
只有一连串的问题 Only persistent questions,
由这些问题衍生出许多八卦 which are the premise for a great deal of gossip.
说说看 Do tell.
有人问 这位教宗是瓷还是钢 People are asking: is this pope porcelain or steel?
为什么不是介于两者之间的玻璃钢呢 Why not something in between: fiberglass?
-还有那个永恒的问题 -什么 - And then there is that eternal refrain. - Which is?
他是直还是弯 Is he gay or straight?
-我跟你讲点八卦 -请讲 - Now, I'll tell you a bit of gossip. - Please do.
教宗选举的时候 莱尼·贝拉多得了一票 In the conclave, Lenny Belardo received one vote.
我知道 那曾经是一时的焦点话题 I know that. It's all anyone has been talking about for days.
但你们不知道那票是谁投的 But what you do not know is who cast that vote.
不知道 没人知道 No. No one ever figured it out.
是我投的 That was my vote.
为什么 Why?
因为上帝不喜欢我 Because God does not like me.
-你知道我为什么当神父吗 -不知道 - Do you know why I became a priest? - No.
因为宗教是一种叙述 Because religion is a narrative story that is told,
一种极其成功的故事 an incredibly successful story.
我发现了上帝是历史上最受欢迎的主角之后 Seeing that God is the most popular protagonist in history.
我就再也不会满足于把一生献给 I would never have been satisfied devoting my life
不太重要的故事 比如文学 电影 音乐 to minor narratives as I found in literature, film, music.
那些充其量只是让人愉快的消遣 Those at best can only be enjoyable pastimes.
宗教叙事让你最感兴趣的一点是什么 And what is that interests you most in the religious narrative?
不断探究最大的奥秘 The incessant inquiry into the greatest mystery of all:
人的本质 the nature of man.
那么 对神职人员永恒的问题 直还是弯 Hence the clergy's incessant question: gay or straight?
我只能说我年轻时是个朋克 I shall only say that I was a punk when I was young.
我觉得那要有趣得多 That seems to me far more interesting.
我们得定一下采访日期 We have to set a date for that interview.
我知道我想对蒂斯沃斯说什么了 I know now what I want to say to Kitsworth.
如果你不介意的话 我想问下 If I'm not being indiscreet, could I at least ask you
你想和蒂斯沃斯谈什么主题 what subject you would discuss with Kitsworth?
人无法被改变 但可以被引导转向 That man cannot be changed, but he can be diverted.
我没太听懂主题是什么 I'm not really all that sure, Your Holiness,
教宗陛下 what the subject would be.
神职人员的恋童癖现象还有性侵犯 Pedophilia among the clergy and all the sexual abuse.
我认为这个问题最重要 That is the issue that matters most to me.
因为如果我们宽恕了他们 那他们会再犯 For, if we forgive them, they will do it again
如果我们惩罚他们 我们便没有行基督徒的善 and if we punish them, we are not practicing Christian charity.
-但还有别的办法吗 -总有别的办法 - But is there another way? - There is always another way.
我相信我当选教宗就是为了制定这个办法 And I believe I was called to the papacy to chart it.
病态的爱是无法被治愈的 索菲娅 Sick loves cannot be treated, Sofia.
癌症可以被治愈 但爱不行 You can treat cancer, but not love.
有一种可能性就是改变爱的目标 One possibility, then, is to shift the object of love.
要怎么做 告诉我 How do you do that? Tell me!
采访时 During the interview,
我要提出一个非凡的提议 I am going to make an extraordinary overture:
我要说我支持神父结婚 I intend to state that I am in favor of marriage for priests,
无论直弯 both gay and straight.
我们得让"可能的爱"合法化 We have to legitimize "Possible" love,
才能让人们绕开"畸形的爱" so as to divert people from "Aberrant" love,
畸形的爱是一种暴力 which is a form of violence.
我没有天真到以为这就是解决办法 I am not so naive as to think that this is the solution.
它作为一种减轻损害的办法 会行之有效的 But as a way of limiting the damage, it could well work.
圣父 你是在提议升级《圣经》 Holy Father, you're proposing to upgrade the Bible.
就像升级苹果手机一样 As if it were an iPhone!
你聪明而且不知疲倦 索菲娅 You are an intelligent and tireless worker, Sofia.
你能不能想出更好的比喻 Could you not come up with a more suitable metaphor, please?
我会的 这样的通告是巨大的飞跃 I will. An announcement of this sort is a giant leap.
只是一小步 A small step
希望能让人类历史的大洋少一些眼泪 and hopefully less tears in the great ocean of human history.
这会成为爆炸性消息 真正的重磅炸弹 This will be a bomb. A genuine bomb.
不 这是折中的办法 No. This is the middle way.
这是一千一百欧 It's 1 100 euro.
给马里奥大人一百欧 给阿塔纳西奥一千欧 100 for Don Mario, and 1 000 for Attanasio.
再见
-你拍了很多照片吗 -对 五千多涨
真的吗
等等
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今天我们不放音乐 不播娱乐节目 As of today, no more music, no more entertainment.
我们只广播 We will be broadcasting one thing only:
庇护十三世教宗的呼吸 Pope Pius XIII's breathing.
从威尼斯圣若望及保禄医院的 Live, from the intensive cure unity
加护病房直播 of San Giovanni e Paolo Hospital in Venice.
我们与教宗永在
永远是我的教宗
103电台
医生无法解释的是 And this is the fact that no doctor is able to explain.
教宗每呼吸415次就叹一次气 After 415 breaths, the pope let out a sigh.
呼吸414次 再叹气 Then, 414 breaths, followed by another sigh.
现在预计他呼吸413次之后会叹气 So now we are expecting 413 breaths and then a sigh.
这代表着什么 What does it all mean?
他回来了 庇护十三世回来了 He has come back! Pius XIII is back!
请关掉收音机 Turn off that radio, please!
狂热庆祝莱尼·贝拉多的呼吸 All this fanfare over Lenny Belardo's breathing
给群众留下了相当深刻的印象 has made quite an impression on the masses.
庇护十三世被人们偶像化的趋势 The increase in the idolatry of Pius XIII
会立即抬头 will be immediate.
教宗陛下 你和蒂斯沃斯的采访 Your Holiness, that interview with Kitsworth
必须让人们的注意力重新集中在您身上 is indispensable to refocus attention on you.
还不到时候 Not yet.
现在 他叹气之前要呼吸多少次 How many breaths now, before he gives a sigh?